is DUCEPPE 1994 the name of an album?
If DUCEPPE 1995-1996 is the name of the season (there are album sets for each season) then why not put the season name in each image’s keywords? Then if someone searches on DUCEPPE 1995-1996 all images with that keyword phrase should come up.
If you put the company name and the season into your keywords, then search will work as you want it to.
For example, if you add the phrase to the image keywords: DUCEPPE 1995-1996
If you search on “DUCEPPE 1995-1996” you will get all images that have that keyword phrase.
If you search on 1995-1996 you will get all images with that as part of the keywords. In other words, all images from all groups in that season.
If you want, say just two groups in one season:
“Duceppe 1995-1996” “Other 1995-1996”
This assumes no spaces between 1995-1996. Otherwise you might want to add variation in the keyword phrase: 1995 - 1996
I tried to add DUCEPPE 1995-1996 in the LR metadata section, in LABEL, then CAPTION, then in the IPTC section under TITLE, CATEGORY and OTHER CATEGORY. I even tried with the date of the opening night (1995-05-31) that is under CREATION DATE in the IMAGE section of the metadata. No luck.
There is no provision that I can see for keywords in Backlight.
Then…serendipity! I went to the synch metadata tab at the bottom of the LR settings panel and there is a section for keywords. And once the correct Company and date range is in there, it works fine. I’ve only done DUCEPPE 1995-1996 and DUCEPPE 2008-2009 but I’m sure the others will work as well. This a major flaw fixed in my site’s SEARCH engine.
Many thanks Rod.
From the documentation:
Backlight’s search operates on keywords, file names, album titles and image captions.
So there’s nothing you need to set in Backlight to get the keywords, you just have to make sure that keywords are in the image metadata.
For someone who hardly ever used keywords…this is eye-opening!
Thanks again, Rod
Since the last exchange on this topic, I have been populating this site [(https://pideja.ca)] with album sets, albums, and Galeries so that the site/database can get completed.
As is going well if slowly (lots of scanning, data research, and all) and I had not noticed a problem with the search engine until today.
I have incorporated keywords within each entry in Lightroom and this helps a lot. Other search-related info seems to be pulled from the Page Content section of each album. This is where I indicated the people who are responsible for each production, like the Author, the Set Designer, the Lighting Director, etc…I have included an example here:
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HOSANNA
Texte : MICHEL TREMBLAY
Mise en scène: LORRAINE PINTAL
Décor: DANIÈLE LÉVESQUE
Costumes: RICHARD LACROIX
Éclairages: ANDRÉ NAUD
Accessoires: JEAN-MARIE GUAY
4 – 15 juin 1991
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The problem is that some of the information is found by the search engine and some not. Notably, the Set Designer (Décor) and the Lighting Designer (Éclairages) are not found at all.
Entering “André Naud” yields nothing whereas “Richard Lacroix” will return “Hosanna” as one of the productions on which M.Lacroix was the Accessories person.
In at least one case, a Lighting Designer’s name (Michel Beaulieu) misses a few of his productions while returning correct results for others!
Why is this?
Backlight’s search operates on image keywords, image file names, album titles and image captions.
It does not search on page content; it’s an image search tool.
Make sure all search words are in keywords, captions and, if appropriate, album titles.
I understand that whatever info I put into keywords, captions or album titles is found by the search engine.
But how to explain that a large part of the album pages content area (where I put all the credits) is also found by the search ?
That info is probably also in the image metadata
None of the credits appear in the image metadata even if these credits are found with the search engine. I am investigating in LR, in Backlight, and in the images themselves in an effort to find where this information is stored for the search engine to find.
But another thing: why are the results displayed on the search page, not in any apparent order. They are not in alphabetical order by the show, by production house nor by title. Is there a way to sort these results?
As an example, search for:
“Michel Beaulieu” and you will find many productions in no particular order.
I’d refer you back to the documentation
“Photos that match on keywords will feature higher in the results. Searching on photos is done primarily on keywords, and secondarily on matches of title, caption and filename. Searches are further ordered based on the proportion of search terms found in the fields.”
Back to the keywords issues: I populated the keywords with names written in the Page Content/MainCopy in order to be able to search the credits associated with different productions that are on the site. Works pretty well, after all. But I stumbled upon this problem: accentuated characters seem to be difficult to recognize by the search module. Consider: “Réal Benoît” or “Benoît Girard”. These do not return results even if the keywords are correctly written in Lightroom’s keyword list and appear correctly on the appropriate web pages.
As expected, lost of cleaning up and “minding my p’s and q’s” so to speak helps a lot. It will take time, but the few productions cleaned up do yield the expected results.
Now, if only the search results had the years in the correct order when displaying multiple results…
https://pideja.ca/backlight/search/?q=%22Beno%C3%AEt+Girard%22
The search function orders items by relevance. Those that score higher with matches across keywords, titles and captions will appear earlier in the list.
Trying to understand…I write my keywords into the keyword list in LR6 like these, for the play “Yonkers”:
1992-1993, Anne Duceppe, Benoît Girard, Duceppe, François Brunelle, Luc Prairie, Marcel Dauphinais, Monique Duceppe, Neil Simon, Normand Blais, Yonkers
Why won’t the numbers show up in the search function?
In this example, searching for shows with “Benoît Girard” in the credits…https://pideja.ca/backlight/search/?q=%22Beno%C3%AEt+Girard%22
You will notice that “Yonkers” from 1992-1993 comes in third. After two shows from 2003 and 2004.
Take the case of “Normand Blais”
https://pideja.ca/backlight/search/?q=%22Normand+Blais%22
Most of the shows he worked on were at DUCEPPE theatre.
But neither the season nor the titles are in no particular order.
I’m missing something here.
Results are returned ordered by the search score. There is no secondary sorting when items return the same search score, which appears to be the case for at least the second search on Normand Blais.
Frankly, I do not understand the terminology. And since I know next to nothing in search engine design and management, I am at a loss when it comes to search score, secondary sorting or what you may have noticed on the “second” search for Normand Blais.
So, let’s leave it. The search module works pretty good as a whole (at least as good as my keyword list in LR is made up) and I have a more pressing issue to deal with. I’ll be posting this question separately.
Thank you, Ben
I will try to explain it in clearer terms, at least for the benefit of other readers who may be interested.
Our search creates a score for every album and photo that matches the search terms. An album or photo that matches more of the search terms in more places (e.g in a title or a description or an associated keyword) will be given a higher score.
Let’s say a given photo matches two search terms in each of those three places, it will be given a score of 6. Another photo only matches one search term in those three places. It will be given a score of 3. A third album matches only one search term and only in one place. It will be given a score of 1. Those three albums will appear in the search results in the order of their scores from highest to lowest. That doesn’t consider the aesthetics of the appearance of sorting by album titles.
Another example. Let’s say all albums that match do so in exactly the same way. Since there is no secondary criteria for sorting albums that have the same search score, they will appear in effectively a random order.
The above idea applies to albums and photos. My description of the search elements and scoring above is also simplified for the point of understanding. Photo matching scores also affect the inclusion and ranking of the albums that contain them.
Since you have raised this, I have put in that secondary sorting by album and photo title so that albums and photos that scored equally well in Search will appear in an alphabetical order. This will be released soon in our next maintenance update.
Thank you very much, Ben.
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